tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10760709.post3668607330555785225..comments2023-10-31T10:28:50.158-04:00Comments on The Zeray Gazette: What Outsiders Think About the UMCJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04854543617806427302noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10760709.post-25522832310474028102008-03-02T23:20:00.000-05:002008-03-02T23:20:00.000-05:00The folks on the panel are media types, not pastor...The folks on the panel are media types, not pastors or theologians. But it is still disappointing that a viewing and subsequent panel discussion about what should essentially be an evangelism effort by the church is so non-theological in nature. I agree with other commentators that it says an awful lot about the Igniting Ministry ad campaign in general. I do not know a lot about the guidance that the 2000 and 2004 General Conferences gave to UMCOM about how to direct the campaign, but it was obviously open-ended. "Open Hearts, Open Minds, Open Doors" is cited constantly by people in and out of the church as "our position" and that is a true shame. It is a phrase that desperately begs for content. And the content usually implied by people that invoke it is bad theology.Andrew C. Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00219444874913518106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10760709.post-12750709394904005242008-03-02T22:43:00.000-05:002008-03-02T22:43:00.000-05:00i think within this thread i have been called "rig...i think within this thread i have been called "right" more times than in the past 10 years. how affirming! &:~Dgavin richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16089190477657027849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10760709.post-68235402797817791652008-03-01T19:57:00.000-05:002008-03-01T19:57:00.000-05:00Ironic Catholic wrote:I hesitate to jump in, since...Ironic Catholic wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>I hesitate to jump in, since I'm an interloper, but I will anyway: the inclusivity is lovely, but where's God?</I><BR/><BR/>That, IC, is the problem.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04854543617806427302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10760709.post-64555212079306008352008-03-01T19:56:00.000-05:002008-03-01T19:56:00.000-05:00Ron wrote:I am a baptist and interloper, but I thi...Ron wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>I am a baptist and interloper, but I think whomever this Gavin fellow is is right. They have many panelists from week to week and they all, to a person, think much too highly of themselves and their skills.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, who do they think the are, bloggers?!Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04854543617806427302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10760709.post-69180167725897851552008-02-29T23:01:00.000-05:002008-02-29T23:01:00.000-05:00by "postmodernism," i'm meaning specifically, post...by "postmodernism," i'm meaning specifically, postmodern critical theory as it pertains to literature.RonKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17297654202504994941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10760709.post-61439104782914144742008-02-29T22:57:00.000-05:002008-02-29T22:57:00.000-05:00I love this television show. I get off work around...I love this television show. I get off work around midnight and this runs on my local PBS station. I am a baptist and interloper, but I think whomever this Gavin fellow is is right. They have many panelists from week to week and they all, to a person, think much too highly of themselves and their skills. This show is a wonderful real-world display of postmodernism. I love it, but I rarely agree with it.RonKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17297654202504994941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10760709.post-91168509469458244112008-02-29T14:55:00.000-05:002008-02-29T14:55:00.000-05:00I don't like the assumption that social justice is...I don't like the assumption that social justice is at odds with evangelical Christianity. <BR/><BR/>In naming famous methodists, they pick a few of the most controversial, unrepresentative methodists which highlights our extremes rather than celebrating the miracle that these extremes remain united. <BR/><BR/>I agree that the purpose of the ad is branding the church as welcoming and that the ads are ambiguous as to the meaning of open minds and multiple paths--which may reflect our diversity as a church rather than the triumph of one wing over the other. <BR/><BR/>In any case it does seem the ads reveal that we are not really sure who we are as a Church. It may be telling that when the Body of Christ attempts to brand itself, somehow Christ is not mentioned.Eric Helmshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03192391202653980730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10760709.post-82492582070742240762008-02-29T12:45:00.000-05:002008-02-29T12:45:00.000-05:00"The Pope is a rhythm Methodist"? WTH?I hesitate ..."The Pope is a rhythm Methodist"? WTH?<BR/><BR/>I hesitate to jump in, since I'm an interloper, but I will anyway: the inclusivity is lovely, but where's God?The Ironic Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12990289461877567408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10760709.post-68416205311339251782008-02-29T12:19:00.000-05:002008-02-29T12:19:00.000-05:00I saw this on Gavin's blog earlier this morning. ...I saw this on Gavin's blog earlier this morning. I agree with Gavin that these people are not as smart as they seem to think they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10760709.post-39199261423973548992008-02-29T12:18:00.000-05:002008-02-29T12:18:00.000-05:00They had a 5:57 second discussion of our 30 second...They had a 5:57 second discussion of our 30 second commercial, and in neither our add nor their discussion did the teachings of Jesus and the concept of following Him come into play.<BR/><BR/>And that tells me all I need to know about the failure of this whole expensive campaign- and in a broader sense, the problem with our denomination at the moment.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05635426740700809467noreply@blogger.com