Saturday, October 14, 2006

Methoblogger Sexism

Joel Betow has run some calculations from the Methodist Blogger Profile series and come up with interesting results.


Richard said...

All of Jesus 12 Apostles were men. Was Jesus a sexist? My Catholic theology teacher uses the justification that because Jesus gave his Great Commission to only men that justifies a stance on only men in the priesthood, as intended by Jesus.

gavin richardson said...

"i'm half the man i used to be"

St.Phransus said...

wait a minute- i've seen the life of brian. i know for a fact that half of jesus' disciples were actually women dressed up as men, but they were hoping to get in on a good ole fashioned public stoning.

St.Phransus said...

so, i actually left this as a comment at joel's site, but since this is basically a reference to the same post, here it tis again:

Joel thanks for keeping awareness of being more inclusive on the frontlines for all of us bloggers. Although I myself chose all males, one of them happened to be Danish. I don’t see too many Danes these days included in too many circles

Although I side with you on this issue that issues of sex and race, equality and inequlaity are issues of faith that we ought to mindful of- I also live in the tension of this:

From what do we base this in? Is this rooted in ecclessiology or are the origins of our concerns rooted in our tie to our American ideologies of liberal political correctness? I have always been pretty sensitive and aware(or at least tried my best to be sensitive and aware) of voices that are not included or silenced no matter what their background.

However, if we’re basing this discussion on a desire to be inclusive because the American ideals and politics have shaped us then we are falling prey to the opposite side of an American idealogy that gave birth to fundamentalism.

If we’re being inclusive because the narratives of the gospel and the radical hospitality and inclusivity of Jesus shapes and informs the practices that we as a people immulate then I think that’s the difference inclusive because we follow Christ and being inclusive because that’s what we’ve been taught and shaped from within the American political structure.

thanks joel.

Joel Thomas said...

Jesus chose twelve male disciples in order that a partiarchal society would be open to his message. If Jesus had been born in modern times, I think several of the twelve would be female.

Jesus did have women disciples -- but they were mostly in the background and didn't have the status of the 12.

John Wesley told several women they could preach, but to keep a low profile and to use a presentation style more in keeping with teaching.

Phoebe Palmer preached, but she made a point of preaching from the side instead of the pulpit.

St.Phransus said...

ahhh phoebe palmer- a matron saint at the nazarene university that i attend. she was quite the "holy roller" and practical theologian.

Richard said...

"Jesus chose twelve male disciples in order that a partiarchal society would be open to his message. If Jesus had been born in modern times, I think several of the twelve would be female."

Good point. I should mention that to him. We're studying the Catholic Sacraments in-depth this semestre. I'll bring it up when we get to Holy Orders.

Lorna said...

St P, your comment was the best!

Richard - glad you are still on talking terms with Jesus :p The truth is we cannot know what Jesus would do in this day and age, but a sober reminder to me always is the fact that the Pharisees were the religious experts of their day and they missed Jesus because God didn't come in a way they expected.

seriously this was an interesting post. Statistics can show what we want them to (as we know) but the truth is that if we take Biblical /early Christian figures then - for a whole myriad of reasons - men predominate.

codepoke said...

Go Joel and Lorna